Curse

Pick Me · Sep 01, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

EXACTLY!!!! But let's expand the list shall we?
Mesmers are supposed to stand there, spin, and look pretty.
Rits are supposed to contort and poop out spirits non stop.
Rangers are supposed to barrage, NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!
Necros should be batteries, SS, or make flesh golems.
And finally Assassins.... well they're just supposed to just run out there and die to make our monks work harder.

Did I get them all?

On another note, it's kind of ironic that necros seem to truly have the most diverse pve roles these days. Remeber what it was like before sorrows furnace came along? It was either battery or...... well that was it. Necros were only good as batteries, no exceptions =b

Lol, that's funny.

Necros the most diverse? Maybe. Rangers - Trapers, interupts/barragers. Necros - SS, Battery, MM. Monks - Healers, Bonders, Protectors. Seems like a tie.

Granted, I don't see anyone asking for a bonder or boon prot in Canthas PvE.

Assassins make beautiful corpses, a good 1 shot combo dealer, and a good distraction for about 2 seconds (long enough for 1 combo). Thank goodness I don't play my Assassin like that (hopefully others will change this stereo type).

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Sep 02, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Eviscerate + exe. strike. Nobody yet can come up with a skill combo [no buffs mind you or extra bs... Raw skills alone] that can do THIS much damage in this span of time. [2 seconds approx.]

i dunno . . . i think hammer might be able to go a lil faster then that :P

warriorsmiley · Sep 02, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

The only defensive skills i take as my warrior to pve is watch yourself and healing signet(cant really trust pug monks) the rest are attacks a ias and a rez sig. Weapons usually depend on what i feel like playing sometimes i might to wield my shiny blue chaos axe, or other days i might want to slash with my crenallated sword or heck i might to just knock things down with my kanaxi's mallet. I dont discrimante any off the warriors weapons they all have there own purpose axe for the chance of high dps, sword for a constant dps, and hammer for high damage + kd's.

mathijn · Sep 02, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

I think all tanks should use frenzy and healing signet, while under heavy fire.

other warriors should do the things they normally do(run in and chase a evil beastie)

Haggard · Sep 02, 2006, 03:13 AM // 03:13

I often receive complaints from friends/guildies when I play something other than a warrior at the killing being slow. In my view, one of the few uses left for eles (don't get me wrong, they excel at this role) is supporting the party with HP spamming and blinds, with occasional support for warrior damage.

Skuld · Sep 02, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster

I agree with that as well lol. always run zealous axe + tigers fury in PvE. so much dmg

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That is the best one for henchmen and PUGing

Another possibility is frenzy under prot spirit from someone you trust ^^

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 05, 2006, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor

i dunno . . . i think hammer might be able to go a lil faster then that :P

Tell me pray tell...

Both axe attacks deal +42 dmg [more bonus damage than any other weapon, that ignores armor I might add] and the Deep Wound is activiated on the second swing...

DW suppose to work after it's applied on the first solid hit... Or so its been tested...

For a Hammer to come nearly this close, it will need a knockdown, followed by Crushing Blow, THEN a 3rd hit to activate the Deep Wound

By that point, I've already dealt 200+ dmg and you're going for 3 swings... I'm faster...

You're swinging with two hands under frenzy, I'm using a 1-handed axe under frenzy, I swing faster

again... I'm faster...

If you're using an enchant/extra buff, that's defeating the purpose of the -raw skill- factor...

No two skills in the game I see are as damaging [or more importantly, as efficient] as those two... bah*

Doomlord_Slayermann · Sep 05, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Tell me pray tell...

Both axe attacks deal +42 dmg [more bonus damage than any other weapon, that ignores armor I might add] and the Deep Wound is activiated on the second swing...

DW suppose to work after it's applied on the first solid hit... Or so its been tested...

For a Hammer to come nearly this close, it will need a knockdown, followed by Crushing Blow, THEN a 3rd hit to activate the Deep Wound

By that point, I've already dealt 200+ dmg and you're going for 3 swings... I'm faster...

You're swinging with two hands under frenzy, I'm using a 1-handed axe under frenzy, I swing faster

again... I'm faster...

If you're using an enchant/extra buff, that's defeating the purpose of the -raw skill- factor...

No two skills in the game I see are as damaging [or more importantly, as efficient] as those two... bah*

The combo you need to look at is Devastating, Crushing, Fierce. It's about half a second longer for about 100 extra damage, just as a rough estimate. So no, it's not faster, but it's certainly more painful.

LightningHell · Sep 06, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

I hear my Presearing warrior screaming at you.

Evilsod · Sep 06, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

I'd take my Forceful/Fierce/Heavy/Crushing (or Forceul/Heavy/Crushing/Fierce) over Eviscerate/Exec in ABs any day. Some people bring good protection... this combo can spike down even full health targets without breaking a sweat. Considering that at lvl16 Hammer Mastery this gives (i think) +42, +42, +32 and +21 (don't quote me on this i can't remember). Not to mention the Ice Breaker used to bypass warrrior AL to physical... this combo can hurt.

Mesmer in Need · Sep 07, 2006, 03:41 AM // 03:41

ice breaker? tell me more...

Akuma · Sep 07, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

It's a hammer, with an icy mod. Warriors don't soak up as much elemental as physical damage.

Judging by your posts, I'm surprised someone yammering on about tanking doesn't know about weaknesses and the such.

Silver_Fang · Sep 07, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Warrior can have 121 AL vs all damage from equipment only.

mathijn · Sep 07, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

add dolyaks(40 AL) physical res(40 AL) Watch yourself(20 AL) and devy pain(24? AL) and you have the uberdefensetankofn00bisn3ss

Silver_Fang · Sep 07, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by mathijn

add dolyaks(40 AL) physical res(40 AL) Watch yourself(20 AL) and devy pain(24? AL) and you have the uberdefensetankofn00bisn3ss

only 2 of the above skill is enough, more than that is a waste. i would bring more offensive skill to do damage instead.

Gigashadow · Sep 07, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Silver_Fang

only 2 of the above skill is enough, more than that is a waste. i would bring more offensive skill to do damage instead.

He was being sarcastic, that's why he called it the "uberdefensetankofn00bisn3ss"

Watch Yourself! is all you need.

Franco · Sep 07, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

LOOOL Warriors dont have to do damage, lmao.

So the SS necro or the Nuker is supose to do all the dmg ?

Nuker gets exausted, ok now we wait bout 10 minuts for the nukers energy to recharge because the warrior is too busy tanking 4 enemies !!! Which with dolyak sig, watch yourself, and a monk healing them is too hard !!!! he needs everything defensive.

By the way, Dont forget to take frenzy and healing signet aswel :P. lol

Evilsod · Sep 08, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

I think the OP is just trying to give mesmers a bad name ^^

Racthoh · Sep 08, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Both axe attacks deal +42 dmg [more bonus damage than any other weapon, that ignores armor I might add]

Galrath Slash, Silverwing Slash, and Final Thrust are all +43 at 16 sword. Only one point of damage, but that makes sword the highest damage bonus among the warrior weapons.

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The combo you need to look at is Devastating, Crushing, Fierce.

I don't think the numbers or the comparison quite make sense here. Two axe attacks vs. three hammer attacks, of course the hammer is going to hit for more; you're getting more swings away. The fair comparison would be Sever + Gash + Final vs. Devastating + Crushing + Fierce since the third swing on the axe combo varies from warrior to warrior (Ex. Protector's Strike, Axe Rake, Penetrating Blow). If you want to compare to just Eviscerate + Executioner's, you have to compare just Devestating + Crushing Blow which simply does not compare in terms of damage especially since you still need something else to hit the target for the pseudo 100 damage deep wound to take effect. At least Gash + Final is 64 (possible 107) and gets that 100 damage boost from deep wound.

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It's about half a second longer for about 100 extra damage, just as a rough estimate.

The only way a hammer is going to make a half second attack is with an IAS and Protector's Strike since they have that 1.66 swing rate.

ubermancer · Sep 08, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Oh, well if we are going into 3 skills... what about Glyph of Essence, Eviscerate, Phoenix?

Thats Deep Wound, +42, basic Axe attack, and +166 from Phoenix.